The 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0L CRD

Posted By on August 6, 2007

Trail RatedLet’s see, how does a best selling summer paperback start … “It was a humid August afternoon, one of those days when even the suede leather trim on the luxury SUV sticks to your back …” or something like that.
;-)
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited CRD Diesel Front Its been sweltry in southwestern Ohio these past few days and it certainly was not the most appropriate day to be looking at cars … I even felt sorry for the salesman having to leave his air conditioned showroom to come out and meet potential customers. Nevertheless, my son and I drove up and down the new and used car mile looking at cars for his friend heading off to college. (so he says, but suspect he just likes looking at cars?) We happened to stop at a ‘smallish’ Jeep dealership and notice they had a new 2007 Grand Cherokee 3.0L diesel on the lot … a rarity; the general manager was the only one working and indicated that he had ordered it for a regular client who decided on a diesel pickup truck instead.

2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited CRD
The Mercedes 6 cylinder diesel is in my opinion the perfect engine for this “trail rated” Jeep 4 x 4 SUV, and may be the first of many new diesels to start showing up in North America. It is an excellent way to improve efficiency while maintaining power and an excellent option for SUVs or CUVs. Diesels are far more efficient in producing power than their gasoline counterpart and better suited the interstate highways in the U.S. than the current gas/electric hybrid trend – in my opinion, and an Edmond’s article.
Break Even Gasser
Most of us living in North America appreciate, a ‘bigger’ family vehicle that can safely travel “over the river and through the woods,” whether it be to “grandmother’s house” or just through a nasty winter storm or two. Jeep’s generally come to mind for these challenging tasks and were building utility vehicles before the masses began to crave the SUV. The rest of the automotive industry has jumped into this American trend and so it is no surprise that Jeep is once again out front with a diesel in ‘a North American’ SUV. (they started putting a diesel in the Liberty CRD a few years ago, but recently discontinued)
Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD MSRP
Intro above aside, my first impression was not all that favorable. I gathered myself back together after noticing the $3700 diesel option on the rather high $43,645 MSRP sticker price — a sticker significantly higher than many other domestic and imported SUVs. As I did the walk around waiting for the salesman to suggest a test drive, I also noticed the rusty brakes and lack of a recent cleaning. (small dealership) I thought it odd to have a CRD sitting on the lot for a long time, but indeed its been sitting there since spring. The sales manager confessed that the Grand Cherokee was ordered for a regular client who decided on a diesel truck. He also noted that this higher priced Limited diesel model was ‘difficult for them’ to sell? (Hmm … for those interested, perhaps this particular vehicle would sell significantly below MSRP?)

Drivers side Lg. Dash Lg. Under the hood Lg.

We opened the doors and the rear liftgate to let out the heat and he ‘attempted’ to start the long sitting diesel. No go … as air must have seeped it way into the fuel lines. After a minute or so of cranking it finally started, but not before sending a code to the computer that triggered a check engine light and some kind of ‘lightening’ bolt signal? Nevertheless my son and I were off on a test drive.
ConsoleA couple observations in coming from a Honda Pilot were that the interior volume of the 5-passenger Grand Cherokee was much less and I missed the extra room storage between the front seats. This was probably due to the true off-road nature of the ‘trail rated’ Jeep verses the crossover build of the Honda. Unfortunately some of this ‘overbuilt’ Jeep SUV also found it way into the fuel economy numbers and my wish for an efficient diesel in an American SUV were dashed: the Jeep’s numbers were only couple mile per gallon better than my 8 passenger ‘gasoline powered’ Pilot. The EPA sticker on the Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0L CRD read 20 city / 24 highway. (still much better than its V-8 gasoline powered counterpart)

CRD Hitch
As for comfort and performance, the CRD was excellent. It had plenty of power, was very … I’ll repeat … very quiet and was enjoyable to drive. Lock to lock steering and tight radius turning was excellent. (here’s a link to my poor quality cellphone video demonstrating the 0 – 60 mph 10 seconds time and 0 -80 mph 14 seconds time) The Limited edition had a great Boston Acoustics sound system, backup sensors, a class 3 hitch, leather two tone power seats and a substantial number of electronic assist items like hands-free phones, compass, etc.
CRDAll in all, the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD might be a exactly what some folks need to get up their driveway this winter and the mileage is definitely better than Jeep’s gasoline version. Call me spoiled, but having the extra room and the 8 passenger capacity of the Honda Pilot, as well as lower price, is a bit more fitting for our families daily needs in the flatlands of Ohio. (now when Honda offers their diesel, I’m definitely interested! – link)

Comments

  • Susan Alberson

    great review rich. i’ve been looking to get a diesel suv and will wait based on your opinions. thanks.

  • Susan Alberson

    great review rich. i’ve been looking to get a diesel suv and will wait based on your opinions. thanks.

  • Mitchell Oates

    I own both an ’05 Jeep Liberty CRD purchased new, and an ’87 Mercedes Benz 300 diesel turbo sedan purchased used. I spent 20 years on submarines in the nuclear power field in the U.S. Navy, where I had quite a bit of training and experience operating and maintaining the large Fairbanks Morse diesel generators. I’ve spent the last 10 years working for Freightliner building Class 8 semis, in particular on the engine assembly line as both an assembler and QC inspector. In effect, until the sell-off of Chrysler, I was a DaimlerChrysler employee, and am still in effect a Daimler employee.

    That being said, IMO Chrysler and/or their Daimler bosses in Germany completely misread market demand and dropped the ball when it comes to both the Liberty and Grand Cherokee CRD. In addition, DC’s mantra for the past few years has been cost-cutting to the maximum possible. This has been quite evident both where I work and from my personal experience owning a Liberty CRD. When I had the opportunity to spend the better part of an afternoon checking out a Grand Cherokee CRD, it was obvious to me they were still playing the same game.

    In the 18 months the Liberty CRD was available, they sold 15,000 of them – over twice as many as they anticipated. Base price of 25 grand, 30 grand for a fully loaded Limited. They had a winner on their hands, yet they dropped it in the middle of the ’06 model year. Reason? They’ve stated publicly since that while the Liberty CRD was “a success almost to a fault, it was always our plan to drop the diesel in the Liberty and offer the Grand Cherokee CRD instead”. Bait and switch. Get their customer base hooked on the idea of a Jeep diesel with the affordable Liberty, then turn around and only offer the Grand Cherokee CRD for an additional 15 to 20 grand for those that just had to have a diesel. Their strategy has fallen flat on it’s face – not only did they lose sales of the Liberty CRD and overall Liberty sales plummet, last word is that less than 1,000 of the Grand Cherokee CRD’s have been sold. At one local dealer, the largest CJD dealer in the area, they’ve had four Grand Cherokee CRD’s sitting on the lot for months, one in the showroom, all marked as being 8 grand off MSRP. The 45 minutes I spent in the showroom, in full view of the sales staff, crawling all over the GC CRD checking it out, not one salesperson came over and asked if I was interested in buying one. Once bitten, twice shy – they don’t want to be stuck with sales and warranty service on another DC orphan as they were with the Liberty CRD – DC completely cut off all tech training and support on the Liberty CRD once they made the decision to drop it.

    Like the gent in the article that originally ordered the GC CRD and then decided to go with a diesel pickup, many customers have decided that for the asking price they could get a lot more vehicle with much better service and support and that has already demonstrated it’s reliability over several years – such as a Dodge Ram pickup with a Cummins diesel, a Mercedes Benz diesel sedan – or could get a reliable diesel vehicle with over twice the fuel mileage for half the money – a VW TDI sedan or wagon – or even buy a used diesel pickup or sedan with the older and simpler cast iron engines and mechanical fuel injection, that are far simpler and cheaper to maintain and still get fuel mileage well past what the GC CRD is capable of.

    Add to this the maintenance and reliability problems that Liberty CRD owners have experienced due to DC’s cost-cutting, and DC’s almost complete lack of support for the vehicle, at best some half-hearted TSB’s and reflashes that are more band-aids to keep the vehicles running past the warranty period than permanent fixes. Most noteable has been the laughably-named “Customer Satisfaction Notice” F37, addressing the inadequate stock torque converter that was installed and has failed repeatedly, often requiring replacement of the entire transmission. In the CSN, they “recommend” that Liberty CRD owners bring their vehicles in to have their present torque converter replaced with the same exact torque converter, and then have their ECM reprogrammed to reduce the engine’s HP and torque output by 5 to 10 percent to “enhance torque converter reliability”. In other words, instead of putting in a reliable torque converter that can handle the engine’s advertised HP and torque ratings, it was cheaper and easier for them to simply reprogram the vehicle’s computers to neuter the engine so their cheap torque converter would hold up past the warranty period – they castrated a engine that was a $3,000 option on the sales sticker to save a $100 torque converter. I’ve driven a friend’s Liberty CRD that had F37 performed on it, and to say that it made the vehicle completely gutless compared to mine (which hasn’t, and never will, have F37 performed) is an understatement of the first magnitude. Many Liberty CRD owners, including myself, have opted to spend the money out of pocket and put a reliable aftermarket diesel torque converter in the vehicle. The difference it made in reliability and performance was nothing short of amazing – a purpose-built $700 torque converter turned it into a different vehicle, that will reliably get 32 mpg in interstate driving.

    In the meantime, while CSN F37 is supposedly voluntary and only recommended by it’s own wording, many dealers have resorted to telling Liberty CRD owners when they come in for service that if they don’t let them perform F37 and reprogram their vehicles that their warranties will be null and void.

    I would be here all day if I tried to list and describe all the other shortcomings that we Liberty CRD owners have experienced with our vehicles. Suffice it to say that in my opinion, DC never viewed the Liberty CRD as anything other than a market test vehicle, and the sooner it is swept under the rug and forgotten the better from their viewpoint. And that’s one reason why the Grand Cherokee CRD isn’t selling – word of mouth does get around, and many customers suspect that the GC CRD is nothing but another “experiment” that DC has foisted upon it’s dealers and customers.

  • Mitchell Oates

    I own both an ’05 Jeep Liberty CRD purchased new, and an ’87 Mercedes Benz 300 diesel turbo sedan purchased used. I spent 20 years on submarines in the nuclear power field in the U.S. Navy, where I had quite a bit of training and experience operating and maintaining the large Fairbanks Morse diesel generators. I’ve spent the last 10 years working for Freightliner building Class 8 semis, in particular on the engine assembly line as both an assembler and QC inspector. In effect, until the sell-off of Chrysler, I was a DaimlerChrysler employee, and am still in effect a Daimler employee.

    That being said, IMO Chrysler and/or their Daimler bosses in Germany completely misread market demand and dropped the ball when it comes to both the Liberty and Grand Cherokee CRD. In addition, DC’s mantra for the past few years has been cost-cutting to the maximum possible. This has been quite evident both where I work and from my personal experience owning a Liberty CRD. When I had the opportunity to spend the better part of an afternoon checking out a Grand Cherokee CRD, it was obvious to me they were still playing the same game.

    In the 18 months the Liberty CRD was available, they sold 15,000 of them – over twice as many as they anticipated. Base price of 25 grand, 30 grand for a fully loaded Limited. They had a winner on their hands, yet they dropped it in the middle of the ’06 model year. Reason? They’ve stated publicly since that while the Liberty CRD was “a success almost to a fault, it was always our plan to drop the diesel in the Liberty and offer the Grand Cherokee CRD instead”. Bait and switch. Get their customer base hooked on the idea of a Jeep diesel with the affordable Liberty, then turn around and only offer the Grand Cherokee CRD for an additional 15 to 20 grand for those that just had to have a diesel. Their strategy has fallen flat on it’s face – not only did they lose sales of the Liberty CRD and overall Liberty sales plummet, last word is that less than 1,000 of the Grand Cherokee CRD’s have been sold. At one local dealer, the largest CJD dealer in the area, they’ve had four Grand Cherokee CRD’s sitting on the lot for months, one in the showroom, all marked as being 8 grand off MSRP. The 45 minutes I spent in the showroom, in full view of the sales staff, crawling all over the GC CRD checking it out, not one salesperson came over and asked if I was interested in buying one. Once bitten, twice shy – they don’t want to be stuck with sales and warranty service on another DC orphan as they were with the Liberty CRD – DC completely cut off all tech training and support on the Liberty CRD once they made the decision to drop it.

    Like the gent in the article that originally ordered the GC CRD and then decided to go with a diesel pickup, many customers have decided that for the asking price they could get a lot more vehicle with much better service and support and that has already demonstrated it’s reliability over several years – such as a Dodge Ram pickup with a Cummins diesel, a Mercedes Benz diesel sedan – or could get a reliable diesel vehicle with over twice the fuel mileage for half the money – a VW TDI sedan or wagon – or even buy a used diesel pickup or sedan with the older and simpler cast iron engines and mechanical fuel injection, that are far simpler and cheaper to maintain and still get fuel mileage well past what the GC CRD is capable of.

    Add to this the maintenance and reliability problems that Liberty CRD owners have experienced due to DC’s cost-cutting, and DC’s almost complete lack of support for the vehicle, at best some half-hearted TSB’s and reflashes that are more band-aids to keep the vehicles running past the warranty period than permanent fixes. Most noteable has been the laughably-named “Customer Satisfaction Notice” F37, addressing the inadequate stock torque converter that was installed and has failed repeatedly, often requiring replacement of the entire transmission. In the CSN, they “recommend” that Liberty CRD owners bring their vehicles in to have their present torque converter replaced with the same exact torque converter, and then have their ECM reprogrammed to reduce the engine’s HP and torque output by 5 to 10 percent to “enhance torque converter reliability”. In other words, instead of putting in a reliable torque converter that can handle the engine’s advertised HP and torque ratings, it was cheaper and easier for them to simply reprogram the vehicle’s computers to neuter the engine so their cheap torque converter would hold up past the warranty period – they castrated a engine that was a $3,000 option on the sales sticker to save a $100 torque converter. I’ve driven a friend’s Liberty CRD that had F37 performed on it, and to say that it made the vehicle completely gutless compared to mine (which hasn’t, and never will, have F37 performed) is an understatement of the first magnitude. Many Liberty CRD owners, including myself, have opted to spend the money out of pocket and put a reliable aftermarket diesel torque converter in the vehicle. The difference it made in reliability and performance was nothing short of amazing – a purpose-built $700 torque converter turned it into a different vehicle, that will reliably get 32 mpg in interstate driving.

    In the meantime, while CSN F37 is supposedly voluntary and only recommended by it’s own wording, many dealers have resorted to telling Liberty CRD owners when they come in for service that if they don’t let them perform F37 and reprogram their vehicles that their warranties will be null and void.

    I would be here all day if I tried to list and describe all the other shortcomings that we Liberty CRD owners have experienced with our vehicles. Suffice it to say that in my opinion, DC never viewed the Liberty CRD as anything other than a market test vehicle, and the sooner it is swept under the rug and forgotten the better from their viewpoint. And that’s one reason why the Grand Cherokee CRD isn’t selling – word of mouth does get around, and many customers suspect that the GC CRD is nothing but another “experiment” that DC has foisted upon it’s dealers and customers.

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  • Ali Abdel-Hadi

    Great article above by Mitchell Oates . I am a big fan of diesel technology myself. Thank you for the valuable inside info. I always wondered why they pulled the plug on the Jeep Liberty CRD and now I understand. I almost purchased a Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0 Diesel, a few days ago but I changed my mind, although I love the Mercedes Diesel engine in this SUV. I don’t want to become another guinea pig for DC.

  • Ali Abdel-Hadi

    Great article above by Mitchell Oates . I am a big fan of diesel technology myself. Thank you for the valuable inside info. I always wondered why they pulled the plug on the Jeep Liberty CRD and now I understand. I almost purchased a Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0 Diesel, a few days ago but I changed my mind, although I love the Mercedes Diesel engine in this SUV. I don’t want to become another guinea pig for DC.

  • Case Timmermans

    I bought the Liberty CRD last year and upgraded to the Grand Cherokee loved both vehicles but the Liberty was a little too small for our families use. I hope Mitchell Oates is wrong about
    Chrysler’s attitude with regard to the diesel engines I think they should be an option in everything that Chryler sells. I’ve bought five Cummins engines where they fixed the truck up aroud the motor and they are great compared to the crap I bought from GM that gas diesel convert in a Cutlass and they the 6.2 and later the 6.5 in the suburbans Liked the suburban but the power train leaves something to be desired and the reason I’ll probably not buy any GM products again.
    Casey.

  • Case Timmermans

    I bought the Liberty CRD last year and upgraded to the Grand Cherokee loved both vehicles but the Liberty was a little too small for our families use. I hope Mitchell Oates is wrong about
    Chrysler’s attitude with regard to the diesel engines I think they should be an option in everything that Chryler sells. I’ve bought five Cummins engines where they fixed the truck up aroud the motor and they are great compared to the crap I bought from GM that gas diesel convert in a Cutlass and they the 6.2 and later the 6.5 in the suburbans Liked the suburban but the power train leaves something to be desired and the reason I’ll probably not buy any GM products again.
    Casey.

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  • Dan

    The diesel engines in the Liberty were from Italy. The diesels in the current JGC come from Mercedes. I don’t think you can compare the two . The Diesel in the new JGC is the one used in the E320 , and the tranny is Mercedes also.
    So with the Mercedes power plant and mated tranny in a Jeep 4X4 do think it’s still a problem?

  • Dan

    The diesel engines in the Liberty were from Italy. The diesels in the current JGC come from Mercedes. I don’t think you can compare the two . The Diesel in the new JGC is the one used in the E320 , and the tranny is Mercedes also.
    So with the Mercedes power plant and mated tranny in a Jeep 4X4 do think it’s still a problem?

  • Robert Halverson

    Great comments, my wife and I are looking at both Liberty’s and GC CRD’s. I’ve got two 7.3L Navistar’s in Ford F250′s, and happy with those, had a couple Mercedes 300 and 350 SDL’s. Also happy.

    My take on the reasoning no Diesels on Liberty in ’07 was similar to what I heard for VW in ’07. The Federal Emmissions requirements knocked them for a loop. So in the case of VW, they took a time out until sorting out. Love to hear more on this from others.
    Thanks

  • Robert Halverson

    Great comments, my wife and I are looking at both Liberty’s and GC CRD’s. I’ve got two 7.3L Navistar’s in Ford F250′s, and happy with those, had a couple Mercedes 300 and 350 SDL’s. Also happy.

    My take on the reasoning no Diesels on Liberty in ’07 was similar to what I heard for VW in ’07. The Federal Emmissions requirements knocked them for a loop. So in the case of VW, they took a time out until sorting out. Love to hear more on this from others.
    Thanks

  • http://andyinpc.wordpress.com AndyinPC

    I actually like the idea of a GC CRD, but I’m not going to spend 45k on a Mercedes motor when I can spend 10k more and get an actual Mercedes to go with the engine (ML 320 CDIs start at 51k in my area).

    If they can get the price below 40k I think it will make a huge difference, and closer to 35k would be a no brainer. Just let me put the CRD on an entry level GC.

  • http://andyinpc.wordpress.com AndyinPC

    I actually like the idea of a GC CRD, but I’m not going to spend 45k on a Mercedes motor when I can spend 10k more and get an actual Mercedes to go with the engine (ML 320 CDIs start at 51k in my area).

    If they can get the price below 40k I think it will make a huge difference, and closer to 35k would be a no brainer. Just let me put the CRD on an entry level GC.

  • http://www.myarchive.us RichC

    Although I think the GC with a diesel is a great vehicle, I’d think twice about spending this much as well. What concerns me is the long term relationship in supporting the MB 320CDI engine in a Jeep CRD … sort of like the short run with the Liberty CRD? At this point, its an orphan vehicle.

  • http://www.myarchive.us RichC

    Although I think the GC with a diesel is a great vehicle, I’d think twice about spending this much as well. What concerns me is the long term relationship in supporting the MB 320CDI engine in a Jeep CRD … sort of like the short run with the Liberty CRD? At this point, its an orphan vehicle.

  • JonB

    I’ve put 13,000 miles on my GC Overland 3.0CRD and I love it. The engine option was only $1000 more on the Overland. I get 23-24 hwy mpg and combined 20-21, much better than the hemi gasoline engine. The Jeep and its drivetrain have performed flawlessly, with the only trips back to the dealer for maintenance. It tows my boat effortlessly, and has awesome offroad capability (yes, I do offroad a bit in northern Michigan – nothing serious, just some scenic driving on those “seasonal roads” up there!). I would definitely recommend it.

  • JonB

    I’ve put 13,000 miles on my GC Overland 3.0CRD and I love it. The engine option was only $1000 more on the Overland. I get 23-24 hwy mpg and combined 20-21, much better than the hemi gasoline engine. The Jeep and its drivetrain have performed flawlessly, with the only trips back to the dealer for maintenance. It tows my boat effortlessly, and has awesome offroad capability (yes, I do offroad a bit in northern Michigan – nothing serious, just some scenic driving on those “seasonal roads” up there!). I would definitely recommend it.

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